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Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 30	Posted - 2012.06.21 18:29:00 - [1] - Quote corestwo wrote: We'd argue that there was no exploit (unlike things in the past like the Ferrogel dupe), merely an intended mechanic stretched to a legitimate extreme, but we're clearly biased. i'd argue the same thing, seems pretty much all developers do this when they let some thing slip through the net. instead of just saying "yeah we missed it, bravo for noticing and making the best of it" they go on a some kind of crusade fueled by their own embarrassment, it happened to blizzard activision with their latest major content patch.
Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 30	Posted - 2012.06.21 18:37:00 - [2] - Quote infact, is it my imagination or does the topic of this thread pretty much mimic the current UK news story about jimmy carr?
Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 31	Posted - 2012.06.21 19:25:00 - [3] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Jones Bones wrote: Wait, why would they roll anything back? 5T is a drop in the bucket of the EVE economy. Lotta herpa derp in here. Because if they don't it will cost them real world money. The same people that are quoting how many subs the goons have can't do the same math? Its an error in the six figure range of real cash. i don't really see how, the plex on the market still have to be purchased with real money to begin with. or am i missing some thing very obvious here?
Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 32	Posted - 2012.06.21 21:07:00 - [4] - Quote saltrock0000 wrote: Well plaid goons......... well played. On a side note, CCP nurfed incursions the ISK fountain but handed goons trillibillions trolololol If i ever make a computer game, goons arnt invited to play :) why not? they're clearly the most thorough testers known to man.
Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 38	Posted - 2012.06.21 23:09:00 - [5] - Quote Goons really rustled my jimmies.
Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 38	Posted - 2012.06.21 23:26:00 - [6] - Quote Thomas Ardenvald wrote: Dave stark wrote: Goons really rustled my jimmies. I haven't seen imageshack in years. it's late at night and that's the first uploady thing that came to mind.
Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 38	Posted - 2012.06.22 17:56:00 - [7] - Quote Pr1ncess Alia wrote: If you get the thread to page 100, they'll let you keep your stuff. Lol, no. I was just kidding. But do keep posting about how legit your exploit was. are you the same kind of person that was sat in st paul's complaining about how bankers are making lots of money too?
Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 38	Posted - 2012.06.22 18:07:00 - [8] - Quote Tallian Saotome wrote: Stories of people able to completely own the game like this ARE why people join. truth, it's why i joined the game.
Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 40	Posted - 2012.06.23 13:32:00 - [9] - Quote i like the reasoning for their action, CCP hasn't gone totally mad.
Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 40	Posted - 2012.06.23 13:33:00 - [10] - Quote Natasha Fatality wrote: This is really the most fascinating thread I can remember reading in a long time. I feel lucky to have just gotten into EVE right as this is all going down. It seems like a really pivotal moment for the game's community. I have to admit, I really want to become a Goon myself at this point. :) no you don't, this is much better as a spectator sport :P

Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 40	Posted - 2012.06.23 14:24:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Sreegs wrote: I find it disturbing that you think you could exploit a system to print money and crash markets and we'd just be like "Oh haha those cards". you mean, as disturbing as allowing an issue like this to be deployed on to the live servers?
Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 40	Posted - 2012.06.23 14:38:00 - [12] - Quote Nephilim Xeno wrote: Once the new FW changes were announced it was OBVIOUS that the minnie milita would become the biggest isk printing machine in eve and now you want to ban ppl for using it to print too much isk ? don't get so bent out of shape, they just took steps to stop a market crash not steps to alienate players.
Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 40	Posted - 2012.06.23 14:41:00 - [13] - Quote Tomytronic wrote: The Goonswarm Five. haha, are they releasing an album and is one of them going to change their skin colour?
Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 44	Posted - 2012.06.23 15:54:00 - [14] - Quote CCP Sreegs wrote: You'll have to ask the people who deploy things that. My job is to clean up afterwards. you really drew the short straw, didn't you?
Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 46	Posted - 2012.06.23 19:14:00 - [15] - Quote 136 pages of beating a dead horse. why is it 136 pages long? nobody has been banned, items have been seized to stop a market crash. move along.
Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 47	Posted - 2012.06.23 19:29:00 - [16] - Quote Salient Soldier wrote: I like how Goons can admit to breaking EvE, and they dont even get a slap on the wrist. CCP, grow some balls and empty all Goon wallets to 0. Then perma ban all accounts of those who admitted to being involved. Then Fix EvE, k thx bai. and how has your personal eve experience even been touched by this event? i sure as **** didn't feel any effects from it, i doubt you did either. hence, the game clearly wasn't broken.
Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 48	Posted - 2012.06.23 20:20:00 - [17] - Quote Aooz wrote: Wu-Tian wrote: Alexzandvar Douglass wrote: This is like when the Villain in the movie spends so much time broadcasting his success it leads to his downfall. The lost art of keeping a secret. Just typical attention whoring by goons. But to be fair, this was probably the shining moment of OP's dark and dreary basement dwelling life, then you just have the usual mob of goon lackeys grasping for second hand attention which is really what they're best at. Though it was an OK story, enjoy your space money and "loyalty points" beautiful shade of green to this post.
Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 49	Posted - 2012.06.23 21:37:00 - [18] - Quote Antisocial Malkavian wrote: How long does it take Goons to make 5 trillion? ~5 months, i think. let me go find my source.
Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 49	Posted - 2012.06.23 21:58:00 - [19] - Quote corestwo wrote: Dave stark wrote: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1507017#post1507017 You really should be familiar with the difference between personal income and alliance income, but then again MV is the worst corp in TEST, so maybe not. "our" does not imply personal. "my" would imply personal. in a forum about goons sponsoring hulkageddon. shrug
Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 49	Posted - 2012.06.24 08:27:00 - [20] - Quote not sure what's thicker in there, the tears or the envy.

Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 49	Posted - 2012.06.24 08:35:00 - [21] - Quote Elysium Foxx wrote: Yeh, maybe we should count the amount of threads. a percentage of Goon+ goon supporter posts to others posts. See how deep that pool of tears actually is. it really has nothing to do with "supporting goons" at all. the entire point is whether they were within the limits of the sandbox or not. to me, they were. ccp added the formula to reward lp on a sliding scale based on the isk damage inflicted upon an enemy when their ship went pop. ok, manipulating the average price on an item was a bit close to the line, but isn't that what people sit in jita and do all day every day anyway? the only real difference between what goons did, and what your average player does on a daily basis is scale, and scale is the only thing that's caused an issue here. at least, as far as i can tell.
Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 50	Posted - 2012.06.24 08:47:00 - [22] - Quote Elysium Foxx wrote: Dave stark wrote: Elysium Foxx wrote: Yeh, maybe we should count the amount of threads. a percentage of Goon+ goon supporter posts to others posts. See how deep that pool of tears actually is. it really has nothing to do with "supporting goons" at all. the entire point is whether they were within the limits of the sandbox or not. to me, they were. ccp added the formula to reward lp on a sliding scale based on the isk damage inflicted upon an enemy when their ship went pop. ok, manipulating the average price on an item was a bit close to the line, but isn't that what people sit in jita and do all day every day anyway? the only real difference between what goons did, and what your average player does on a daily basis is scale, and scale is the only thing that's caused an issue here. at least, as far as i can tell. I actually agree with you to a certain degree, and think what these guys did is impressive and could really only be done effectively with massive amounts of collateral, however, the fact is they exploited a known vulnerability in a system and should get punished. I personally think that removing any assets and ISK the made from this venture, leaving the offenders out of pocket the amount that they investeted is enough of a punishment. But they did exploit the system, and CCP's own rules state that anyone exploiting the system will be subject to potential bans. and it could (and has been, repeatedly) argued that if ccp didn't want this to happen it shouldn't have left sisi. goons say they warned ccp, ccp released it anyway. it means either ccp didn't know [and goons lie] and didn't test it enough, or ccp did know [ccp lies] and didn't care. but hey we're going around in circles beating a dead horse, again. all we can really do is wait for monday's ccp dev blog/post on here/smoke signal/telegram
Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 51	Posted - 2012.06.24 09:02:00 - [23] - Quote Darth Gustav wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Dave stark wrote: it means either ccp didn't know [and goons lie] and didn't test it enough, or ccp did know [ccp lies] and didn't care. but hey we're going around in circles beating a dead horse, again. all we can really do is wait for monday's ccp dev blog/post on here/smoke signal/telegram Unlike others, I don't want to spread rumors. But for what I can recall from past posts, CCP did see the potential for a vulnerability but it was too late to take a decision like they did for this latest patch (i.e. delay it for 1 week to squash the last minute bugs) so they had to push it out anyway. The true mistake on CCP part in this case, would be to under-stimate how emergent players would immediately use the vulnerability at their advantage on huge scale. I won't spread rumors. I'll state facts. Here's one: CCP Soundwave hoped this "feature" would fail miserably. Here's another one: CCP Soundwave got what he hoped for. haha yes, i saw that interview too. be careful what you wish for.
Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 51	Posted - 2012.06.24 09:33:00 - [24] - Quote Elysium Foxx wrote: I think the minmatar faction leader would be sad that one of his own FW members would purposely blow up freighter loads of his own precious items that could have been used to help the faction war effort. Role playing is truely dead in EVE.... :( i think it's very much alive, actually. this game brings out the most sly, underhand, and interesting parts of a person's character. between the anonymity of the internet, and the game's design almost rewarding ******* people over it lets you be that devious person you probably can't be in the real world.
Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 51	Posted - 2012.06.24 13:01:00 - [25] - Quote ccp intended people to get lp for popping ships. if they didn't intend for people to get so much lp they should have done their sums right.
Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 51	Posted - 2012.06.24 13:54:00 - [26] - Quote hey guys, want to know the truth of the situation? until tomorrow, you know nothing.
Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 51	Posted - 2012.06.24 13:59:00 - [27] - Quote Antisocial Malkavian wrote: Lord Zim wrote: Frying Doom wrote: I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up. But this has happened before http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=626 the result was POS's blown up and accounts permanently banned. As they have stated "As clearly stipulated in our rules and policies, exploiting is strictly prohibited. In our Suspension and Ban Policy there is a special clause about so-called "duping" exploits. Employing this sort of exploit will lead to permanent bans for anyone directly involved as well as possible reprimands for players who benefit from such exploits from removal of the items in question up to, and including, banning of their accounts." So anything less than what has previously occurred would be favoritism, anything more would be unfair. So at least the perpetrators know what to expect. but the "How will this not happen again?" is worth reading This has been brought up multiple times, and it's not applicable as it was an actual software defect in EVE. It was brought to CCP's attention multiple times over a few years until something made CCP finally actually take notice (presumably, the exploit became so widely used it was actually noticeable in some graph or something). What aryth etc did was not utilize a software defect, everything was legal according to game mechanics. Not according to CCP lol wrong. ccp haven't made a decision yet. did you not read the thread before you started posting?
Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 51	Posted - 2012.06.24 14:02:00 - [28] - Quote Vincent VanDamme wrote: When has the use of "Jewbal" been acceptable here? Come on. come on what? it's a name for a group of people nothing more. untie your panties.